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Simple Machines
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Does anyone know of a (PC-based) demo for a directx app that creates vocal harmonies? I've given up on buying hardware anymore, and I love CE2K. Thanks in advance.
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RobertM
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Hi, Simple. Wish I could help... but I can't. Hang in there, maybe someone will come up with something for you.
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Simple Machines
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| Posted - Mon May 14, 2001 10:15 am |
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| Quote: | | Hi, Simple. Wish I could help... but I can't. Hang in there, maybe someone will come up with something for you. |
Actually, I kind of came up with my own solution, to an extent: I recorded a simple sung phrase, and then using CE2k's MAKING MUSIC function, I altered it by having it build a chord out of the phrase. I don't know if I'm making myself clear or not, but it DID work. Try it, and see!
Edited by - simple machines on 05/14/2001 10:20:43 AM
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Talkmeup
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| Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 11:50 am |
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Can you do this in Cool Edit Pro as well?
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Simple Machines
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| Posted - Mon May 28, 2001 4:16 pm |
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Not sure if CE Pro has this capability. MInd you, it's a pretty basic way of doing this, but this results can be pretty interesting.
One of the reasons I asked this questions was the fact that I know there's a rackmounted unit of hardware that does it live -- on the fly, as it were -- for performing. But that's not where my interest lies.
Sorry I couldn't help you, but it seems this one's got everybody stumped.
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Rod
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Something you my want to try is "Voice Tweaker DXi" used with Cakewalk's SONAR program. I understand you can generate up to 16 natural sounding voices with midi controlling the notes of the harmony. www.cakewalk.com www.rbcaudio.com Hope this helped
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Simple Machines
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| Posted - Tue Jun 05, 2001 12:40 pm |
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Rod~
Is Voice Tweaker for PC or Mac? I hope it's Pc. I hope. I hope. I hope!
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jonrose
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| Posted - Tue Jun 05, 2001 4:52 pm |
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I would assume, since Voice Tweaker's title includes "DXi," that it would be for PC.
Eh?
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All the best... -Jon
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rogier
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| Posted - Wed Jun 06, 2001 2:31 am |
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Even better,you can get it for bot mac and pc
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Simple Machines
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| Posted - Thu Jun 07, 2001 11:18 am |
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| Quote: | I would assume, since Voice Tweaker's title includes "DXi," that it would be for PC.
Eh?
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Please have pity on the novice.
Edited by - simple machines on 06/07/2001 11:19:41 AM
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jonrose
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| Posted - Thu Jun 07, 2001 11:40 am |
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| Quote: | Please have pity on the novice.
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Oh, I do, or I wouldn't be here.
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DX, or Direct-X, is a Microshaft development, and those plug-ins are for PC apps running on Microshlock operating systems (Windoze).
All the best... -Jon
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BVDD
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| Posted - Fri Jun 08, 2001 10:33 am |
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Simple,
This won't help you unless you're considering it at all but ...
nothing sounds more natural than singing your
own harmonies. Once you have let's say, a 3rd
and 5th done, you can clone them and use the pitch transposer (on the cloned tracks only)
to slightly detune them. The result is true
double tracked voices.
Yea ..I know it's a lot of work, but it's
incredibly rewarding.
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jester700
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| Posted - Fri Jun 08, 2001 10:51 am |
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| Quote: | Simple,
This won't help you unless you're considering it at all but ...
nothing sounds more natural than singing your
own harmonies. Once you have let's say, a 3rd
and 5th done, you can clone them and use the pitch transposer (on the cloned tracks only)
to slightly detune them. The result is true
double tracked voices. |
There are a few ways of "thickening". Detuning (as mentioned), chorusing, and doubling (with short delay). All thicken the sound, but none truly sound like another real voice. Try them all & see what you like best (or best for that part). Even try doubling all 2 or 3 parts, if your pipes are up to it...
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BVDD
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| Posted - Fri Jun 08, 2001 11:51 am |
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Yea there's nothing like singing ALL the parts; 4, 6, 8 voices or more. It's basically
impossible to sing a line twice and have the same sharp/flat fluxuations each time in the exact same spots. This minute difference is what makes it sound so good and thick.
Hey there's an idea for a killer software prog.
Maybe some day.
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Simple Machines
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| Posted - Fri Jun 08, 2001 7:12 pm |
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This is all great stuff. I guess I was coming from the point of view that I'm using CE2k with the four-trach plug-in, so I need to bounce a lot of tracks (mix them down, I mean) in order to free up multiple tracks for vocals. The idea was thta if I just ran a single track through an app that I could get a single track of vocals back.
However, I like what you all are saying. I remember once I was in a real live studio -- as opposed to my family room -- and I had an idea for some backing vocals. I hadn't really prepared to do them, or I hadn't arranged the vocals. But the engineer was nice enough to let me play and sing what I hread in my head. It came out great -- as you say. All me, and all very natural sounding.
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Dausenkunz
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| Posted - Tue Jun 12, 2001 4:30 pm |
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BVDD,
> nothing sounds more natural than singing your own harmonies
Agreed, but then listen to the Voice Tweaker DXi Demo (43 Kb)
http://www.rbcaudio.com/crazy_vtdxi_st.mp3
Not very natural I admit, but - ain´t that sweet?
> Hey there's an idea for a killer software prog.
> Maybe some day.
It´s already there and it´s called Melodyne.
I was lucky enough to see a demonstration at the Messe in Frankfurt.
just incredible what the guy did to the Audio. And it still sounded quite natural. Niente Artefactos whatsoever.
Andreas
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BVDD
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| Posted - Wed Jun 13, 2001 8:08 am |
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Daus,
Thanx for the info .. I'm going to
check them out.
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jester700
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| Posted - Wed Jun 13, 2001 8:34 pm |
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Steinberg's got one of these called Voice Designer...
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Dausenkunz
Location: Germany
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| Posted - Thu Jun 14, 2001 2:32 pm |
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BVDD,
Melodyne is Mac only (They are working on a PC version) and it is not really affordable.
Andreas
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seanbaker
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| Posted - Sat Jun 16, 2001 2:28 am |
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| Quote: | Yea there's nothing like singing ALL the parts; 4, 6, 8 voices or more. It's basically
impossible to sing a line twice and have the same sharp/flat fluxuations each time in the exact same spots. This minute difference is what makes it sound so good and thick. |
It's called "stacking" in the jingle buz. I know this is tasteless promotion, but seriously check out this stuff.
http://members.aol.com/scbjingles/jingles/jingles.html
I can proudly say that all of this stuff was done using one girl singer and myself. At times (the Mancini jingle: http://members.aol.com/scbjingles/mancini/hanksplace.mp3) we stacked up to 12 parts to create a thick lush chorus and it sounds completely natural.
Of course there's my trademark:
http://members.aol.com/scbjingles/main/dotcom.wav
Hee hee hee. I love shameless advertising. :)
Edited by - seanbaker on 06/16/2001 02:35:01 AM
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Simple Machines
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| Posted - Sat Jun 16, 2001 7:43 am |
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(singing): Sean Baker, dotcom! Man, I'm gonna be singing that all day now!! Great stuff!!
Really, it was nice. Nothing will ever replace that kind of jingle work. It brings to mind a radio commercial that runs locally (NE Ohio) as an example of how NOT to do it. If I can snag it off the air I'll send it to you...if you're interested, of course.
I also checked out the Voice Tweaker DXi Demo. To my ear there really isn't a difference between the Voice Tweaker DXi and a vocoder effect...is there?
I downloaded the Voice Tweaker DXi (PRO, I think), but there wasn't much in terms of help files (none, in fact) or an on-line manual. I could only marginally get it to work. I'm not much on reading manuals, so I didn't think I'd have much trouble.
To those that have played with the Voice Tweaker DXi...how'd you do it?
the Voice Tweaker DXi Demo
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