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Simple Machines Posts: 43	Posted - Wed May 16, 2001 10:17 am  I would like to start a discussion about projects that CoolEdit users "have going". What's your concept? What's your M.O.? Maybe we can also listen to your project, either in its early stages or as a completed piece.
jonrose Location: USA Posts: 2901	Posted - Wed May 16, 2001 10:44 am  Oh, boy. Here I go again, when I know I should stay out of a thread like this... ;-) First of all, "WHICH project?" comes to mind, as there are many in process at any one time. Currently, there's: 1) a demo for an eclectic 4 piece group (two acoustic guitars with an occasional electric, percussionist, fretless bass/Chapman Stick) - currently in the mastering process 2) a full-blown theatrical soundtrack which I'm not at liberty to discuss at the moment 3) a female singer/songwriter's new album project - still tracking on this one 4) a jazz quartet demo - still tracking this also 5) a concept album in preproduction My M.O.? I'm a musician, first and foremost, engineer, producer. I'm also unwilling to do anything else for a living, though I wouldn't complain if there were more money involved... Most of the material currently in process is unavailable for preview, for the usual reasons - a baker wouldn't want to display his unbaked loaves, and most artists/producers are conscientious about having unfinished product circulating about. So, unfortunately, the industry excludes me from sharing. All the best... -Jon :-) Edited by - jonrose on 05/16/2001 10:46:24 AM _________________
PapillonIrl Posts: 158	Posted - Wed May 16, 2001 10:49 am  Quote: Maybe we can also listen to your project, either in its early stages or as a completed piece. ftp://216.26.54.40 in a folder called CEP Group - there is a few examples of projects from people who use this forum.
jonrose Location: USA Posts: 2901	Posted - Wed May 16, 2001 11:29 am  Thanks for tossing that out, Pap! When I have something I'm free to share, you will find it there, also. Best... -Jon :-) _________________
Simple Machines Posts: 43	Posted - Thu May 17, 2001 4:59 pm  I'll tell you my idea: I work in a school, and I'm amazed at the variety of sounds there are there. I'm also very aware of sound because I work with Special ed. kids who can be hyper-sentitve to sounds, among other things. Anyhow, I carried around my minidisk recorder the other day and recorded things on the sly. Then, I came home and ran some of it out into CoolEdit, then stored them on a CD. At first I didn't think I had a wide enough variety of sounds, but after a day or two I aquired about twenty. I went into CoolEdit's Open Files, enabled the preview function, and was surprised what I got so far. The whole idea is to assemble "collages" of sounds, and perhasps even music pieces. Think: a basketball hitting the floor as a kick drum sounds, a bus's air brake releasing as a cymbal, etc. There, I told you. Any ideas? Any collaborators out there?
Sam Posts: 3	Posted - Fri May 18, 2001 3:11 am  I used Cool Edit in conjunctionwith my sampler for a University project which was to make a dance piece entirely out of thesounds produced through the manipulation of paper. We went into the studio, recorded me hitting, biting, ripping and generally abusing all forms of paper, recorded the results and then messed them about in CE2K. Ended up as a cheeky piece of breakbeat-garage (if you're not british this probably won't mean a huge amount to you). I can't remember any of the websites where its availabe for listening so I'll get back to you about that one.
mjb Posts: 167	Posted - Sun May 20, 2001 11:42 pm  Quote: Think: a basketball hitting the floor as a kick drum sounds, a bus's air brake releasing as a cymbal, etc. There, I told you. Any ideas? Any collaborators out there? Yes, fireworks :- some of them give a pretty "snappy" snare sound, and a very good boomy kick sound. Just need to record direct to PC (minidisc will probably munch up the transients), and set levels so as to not let the main "bang" clip too hard. A bit of limiting later will tame this. Note that most of the sounds will have a pretty good natural reverb too!
Simple Machines Posts: 43	Posted - Mon May 21, 2001 10:01 am  Quote: (minidisc will probably munch up the transients That is VERY true, although I am very mobile -- I do a lot of walking as part of my job. So I keep the minidisk with me and record when I see an opportunity come up. The minidisk has two setting for its limiter; they call it "microphone sensitivity". I keep it on low most of the time. The fireworks idea sounds great, though I'll have to wait until July for my raw material! Here's another idea for you all: The other day I recorded the general yelling and screaming I hear on the playground. I isolated the rhythm that a swing set made. The clip was only about four seconds long. But WITHIN that selection a child yelled something to a friend, The words were not understandable but the "tune" of his words caught my ear. I memorized the tune, then created a sample of a recorder playing the same tune. Eventually, I'll include the recorder sample within the piece. If I sequence it so that the recorder passage comes first in the piece it will sound as if the child in the playground is emulating the sond of the recorder -- or so the illusion will be.
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Mon May 21, 2001 4:30 pm  Hi Simple Machines Quote: (minidisc will probably munch up the transients) -mjb Quote: The minidisk has two setting for its limiter; they call it "microphone sensitivity". I keep it on low most of the time. -Simple Machines Uh oh. Sounds like a Sony MD... mjb is quite right about the transient mangler. I found (when I was rapidly learning to hate the MZ-R55) that you got better results on a lot of FX-type recordings if you switched to manual record. I know it's an almighty bind having to go into pause to reset the level, but the results are much punchier. In the manual it says to make sure that the loudest sounds hit the -12dB level. This might be erring slightly too far on the side of caution, I think. But even with a Sony MD you should be able to make a decent recording of fireworks. Other areas of sound I've explored in the past for similar exercises (good fun!) have been all sorts of doors (lift doors can be quite fruitful), roadworks, building sites, etc. Managed a convincing recording of a jungle a while ago by recording the local birds' dawn chorus, and copying it twice into CE, once at half-speed, and again at quarter-speed. If you were careful with the mix, it sounded pretty good. There's an amazing amount of stuff out there to try, and CE makes it really easy to assemble. Go for it! Steve _________________
mjb Posts: 167	Posted - Tue May 22, 2001 11:41 pm  Quote: Hi Simple Machines Quote: (minidisc will probably munch up the transients) -mjb Quote: The minidisk has two setting for its limiter; they call it "microphone sensitivity". I keep it on low most of the time. -Simple Machines Uh oh. Sounds like a Sony MD... mjb is quite right about the transient mangler. I found (when I was rapidly learning to hate the MZ-R55) that you got better results on a lot of FX-type recordings if you switched to manual record. I know it's an almighty bind having to go into pause to reset the level, but the results are much punchier. Hi ... I didn't actually mean the ALC, but thinking about it, that is going to be a problem. I was given a mix of a live recording, off the desk, down to stereo minidisc that kept going "a bit quiet" every so often. I took a bit of work with Cooledit to reverse the ALC sudden step down-gentle ramp up that was going on. What I meant was the ATRACS compression not being impressed with the sudden snappy sounds -- ATRACS is great on finished stereo/mono tracks, on some individual instruments it can damage the sound a little. Fireworks would be a major headache :) Mike.
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Thu May 24, 2001 2:03 am  Well... I've done a little research and a bit of checking - and a few experiments with several MDs, in fact. It's certainly true that MDs are a bit of a movable feast when it comes to their ability to handle transients. But in general, the sort of transients that really muck up some machines (various makes) are transients which repeat rapidly at a low frequency, and the consequences are quite unpredictable. But you know it's happened, alright. You don't get transient smearing, (in fact, the transients are remarkably intact) but you do get really loud irregular loud clicks on sustained notes, usually in the RH channel only. The instruments concerned are french horns, bassoons, etc. with low, rasping notes. I have no idea why it occurs on one channel only. It's got nothing to do with my system - it's been reported independently. It's not the A/D converters or the recording levels either - I've bypassed and varied everything except the ATRAC coders. And it's definitely the coders causing the problem. I've been replaying the results on a Sony MDS-JE640 which does not exhibit the problem at all, but reproduces it very well from other MDs. In fact, it's important to note that over the years, it's generally the ATRAC coders where the real improvements have been made. But, I do have a good DAT recording of fireworks being reprieved (let off!) and I've re-recorded it onto portable MDs with no problems. It seems that even when there are repetitive transients, they are not in the trouble range. Actually, if you over-mod the Sharp MT20 I've got, the sound 'hardens up' a bit, and gives the fireworks even more punch, but I'm not actually advocating that... Basically, with a good stereo mic, you should be able to record pretty convincing fireworks on a MD. Steve _________________
Simple Machines Posts: 43	Posted - Fri May 25, 2001 10:29 am  Let me tell you another MD story with a kinda funny ending. Again, I work in an elementary school, and I was passing by the gymnasium and heard this incredible sound coming from seemingly nowhere: dunga dunga dunga dunga dunga dunga Really fast. I walk in a discover it's the fan that's mounted above the ceiling. There's a grate on the ceiling and it's right above the center of the court. Luckily I got to the gym when there weren't any kids around, so the sound was pretty pure. And I'm pretty sure I had the mic sensitivity on high. So I ran and got the old MD and recorded about 30 seconds of it.When I got home and ran it through CE and made a .wav, it was an amazing sound. At this point, I have a great chugging sound on my hands. Is it a true representation of a broken air circulation fan? I guess so. I DO know that it sounded like I was five feet away from the thing. What I'm saying is that this was one time I think the limiter actually helped. Now, however I tweak it now that it's in CE is another question altogether. Incidentally, if anyone wants this sound for whatever reason, email me and we'll work something out.
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