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Joe Scumbag Posts: 39	Posted - Mon May 19, 2003 7:33 am  Hi, I recently bought an Art Levellar Tube compessor pedal. I use it when I record acoustic guitar and vocals. The only problem is that when I put it between my mic (Samson C01) and Mixer (Behringer eurorackUB802) my mic refuses to work. It's a condensor mic so it uses phantom power, delivered by the mixer. It is possible that the Art compressor pedal won't transfer the phantom power or something? It has both jack input and output as XLR. I use the XLR's. When I put the Art Compressor between my mixer and the line in of my soudcard, everything works out fine. But isn't it better to put the compressor bewteen mic and mixer and why this won't work? thx
Graeme Member Location: Spain Posts: 4663	Posted - Mon May 19, 2003 8:50 am  This is a line level device - even with a non-phantom powered microphone, it is not sensitive enough to use between the mic and the mixer. You have two options - the way you are now using it, or as an 'insert' on the relevant mic channel. _________________ Graeme Don't forget to join the new CEP forum at audiomastersforum
Joe Scumbag Posts: 39	Posted - Mon May 19, 2003 9:26 am  Which one would you prefer?
VoodooRadio Location: USA Posts: 3971	Posted - Mon May 19, 2003 11:10 am  Inserting! Either on that particular channel, or on one of the Sub's (where you could utilize it for any channel directed to that sub). _________________ I said Good Day! Voodoo
Joe Scumbag Posts: 39	Posted - Mon May 19, 2003 1:52 pm  OK, I'll give it a shot. However, question, I looked at my Behringer UB802 mixer and I have one FX Send input. Do I just go from this input to the input or output of my compressor?
VoodooRadio Location: USA Posts: 3971	Posted - Mon May 19, 2003 2:15 pm  I'm not familiar with the Behringer UB802, (but I did look it up). It doesn't have "inserts". You can go from the FX send (it's just an output that puts out how ever much of each channels FX knob you have turned up) to the input of your compressor and then from the compressor to the Line in of your soundcard. When you want to send a channel to the soundcard (via the compressor) you'd just turn up the FX knob for that channel. _________________ I said Good Day! Voodoo
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Mon May 19, 2003 2:17 pm  Joe Scumbag wrote: OK, I'll give it a shot. However, question, I looked at my Behringer UB802 mixer and I have one FX Send input. Do I just go from this input to the input or output of my compressor? That's an FX send output, not an input. In an ideal world, you feed that into the compressor, and the output from the compressor back to one of the line input channels. You should then be able to turn the pre-fade FX send control on the mic channel up, to send the signal to the compressor, but leave the channel output turned down (cuts out the direct signal), and just use the signal that's returned from the compressor into the line channel. I said 'in an ideal world'. Unfortunately, the Deadringer UB802 only has a post-fade effects send, so I'm not quite sure how you are going to do what you need to via the mixer at all - you may be reduced to putting the compressor in the line between the mixer and your soundcard. _________________
VoodooRadio Location: USA Posts: 3971	Posted - Mon May 19, 2003 2:30 pm  Yea, that's all I could come up with as well. It sure makes me appreciate both my Mackie and Allen & Heath boards.... that have inserts on each channel! _________________ I said Good Day! Voodoo
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Mon May 19, 2003 2:46 pm  Even my venerable Spirit Folio 12/2 has a switchable pre/post FX as well as a fixed post one. It's actually quite a flexible little mixer. I'd never buy a Deadringer. I'd sooner build another mixer - at least you get what you want/need that way. And they seem to last longer - the one I built in 1978 is still going strong, apparently. Can't see any Deadringers lasting that long, somehow. _________________
the3jsgrve Location: USA Posts: 442	Posted - Mon May 19, 2003 3:04 pm  Years ago, when California was part of Mexico, there were twin brothers who lived in a small California town with a small mission. One was good, one was bad... OK, fine. I'll spare you for SteveG's sake. We wouldn't want him to jump off the belltower or anything. ;)Josh _________________
Joe Scumbag Posts: 39	Posted - Mon May 19, 2003 3:57 pm  VoodooRadio wrote: I'm not familiar with the Behringer UB802, (but I did look it up). It doesn't have "inserts". You can go from the FX send (it's just an output that puts out how ever much of each channels FX knob you have turned up) to the input of your compressor and then from the compressor to the Line in of your soundcard. When you want to send a channel to the soundcard (via the compressor) you'd just turn up the FX knob for that channel. Would that make a big difference with going from your main out on the mixer to my compressor in and then compressor out to line in soundcard. I never use more than 1 channel on the mixer cause I only got one mic. (saving up for a pair of Rode NT-5 though).
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Tue May 20, 2003 2:52 am  Joe Scumbag wrote: VoodooRadio wrote: I'm not familiar with the Behringer UB802, (but I did look it up). It doesn't have "inserts". You can go from the FX send (it's just an output that puts out how ever much of each channels FX knob you have turned up) to the input of your compressor and then from the compressor to the Line in of your soundcard. When you want to send a channel to the soundcard (via the compressor) you'd just turn up the FX knob for that channel. Would that make a big difference with going from your main out on the mixer to my compressor in and then compressor out to line in soundcard. I never use more than 1 channel on the mixer cause I only got one mic. (saving up for a pair of Rode NT-5 though). As long as the compressor output is sufficient to drive the soundcard input, it will be fine. However you look at it, it's going to involve a little patching of cables... _________________
jwgeetar Location: USA Posts: 1	Posted - Thu May 22, 2003 10:24 am  Joe Scumbag wrote: Hi, I recently bought an Art Levellar Tube compessor pedal. I use it when I record acoustic guitar and vocals. thx hey joe,where you going with that compressor in your hand? :D anyway,i am now configuring my audiophile 24/96 card to work with CEP. and i too play/record accoustically. do you get a good result recording using a compressor during the initial recording? i too want the compressor thang going on but i thought it was best in the mixing part of it all? what do ya think? _________________ 1% inspiration,99% sweat
Joe Scumbag Posts: 39	Posted - Thu May 22, 2003 10:42 am  jwgeetar wrote: Joe Scumbag wrote: Hi, I recently bought an Art Levellar Tube compessor pedal. I use it when I record acoustic guitar and vocals. thx hey joe,where you going with that compressor in your hand? :D anyway,i am now configuring my audiophile 24/96 card to work with CEP. and i too play/record accoustically. do you get a good result recording using a compressor during the initial recording? i too want the compressor thang going on but i thought it was best in the mixing part of it all? what do ya think? Before I used the preset compressors from CEP, tweaked them a little bit, the result was not bad, but there are too many parameters for me. I've read a few articles about compression but I find it very hard to change the presets cause I don't always hear and know what I'm changing. My Art Tube compressor is very simple. It just has a treshhold knob (I set it to -15 hz) and output knob (I set it to + 7). Sounds fine to me. Afterwards I do very little equalizing, add a bit of reverb. I like the dirtyplate, darkdrumplate and tight and close presets from CEP very much with acoustic guitars but you have to tweak them a little. Anyway, I'm just discovering the world of recording, there are people here on this forum who know 1000x more then me so it might be interesting to ask them a few tips. My experiences with compression have learned me that you have to be careful that you don't compress your acoustic guitar too much, otherwise all the warmth of your acoustic sound will dissapear.
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