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sundance · Location: USA Posts: 95

Hi All;

I recently purchased OB Tune after seeing it suggested here (by Zemlin, I think...) and have been using it with some degree of success. For the most part, I like it a lot. Thanks for the suggestion, Zemlin!

Now for the problem... while using it today, about half way through a project, it stopped working for no apparent reason. It will give you a preview, and it will pitch-correct in preview mode; so I click on "OK" and it seems to be applying the effect... window with progress bar, and all... something is happening to the waveform... but it is NOT pitch correcting! I can't tell what it did, but the note I corrected is still off... just like I found it. Now mind you it was working right along, and all of a sudden it just started doing this.

OK, so I uninstall it, and re-install it (which was a whole project in itself...), same thing. Arrrgggghhh!!!

Anyone else have this happen to them? Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Neil H. (sundance)

the3jsgrve · Location: USA Posts: 442

Neil,

I use that same plug myself. I have some thoughts, but I need to know first whether you are using it in multitrack view, or destructively in waveform view.

FWIW, I always back up the original vocal, and then apply auto-tune destructively to a new copy. Assuming you are doing this, try highlighting just the bad note and turning the settings up--especially speed. It sounds like you are applying auto-tune to the entire wave to just fix one note. I'd just fix the note.

Hope that helps!
Josh

sundance · Location: USA Posts: 95

Hey Josh; Thanks for the reply. I am using OB Tune in edit view. In fact, I didn't know using it (or any other plug-in, for that matter) in multitrack view was even possible! How do you do this? Help files didn't shed any light on the subject. Also, I am only using the plug to pitch-correct phrases or single notes. It just stopped working, in the middle of a project, for no apparent reason. I didn't change anything, and up to that moment it had been working fine. When auditioning a possible change in "preview" mode, it sounds fine, the note is corrected. I click "OK" and the change appears to process. The wave changes slightly, as it usually does when I pitch-correct... but I can't figure out what is changing. The note(s) I am wanting to change have NOT changed. VERY frustrating.

You said you had some thoughts... what do you suggest? Any idea what might have happened?

Unless you or someone else here can think of something I am missing, I guess I will be trying to get some help from Oberheim or MusicYo tomorrow... of course during the holiday weekend when I wanted to get this current project completed, they are all closed... and if they are able to help at all, it will probably take days.

Sigh... thanks again for responding!

Neil H. (sundance)

John Byrne · Location: Germany Posts: 5

Hi sundance

Just a suggestion:

Place your piece in track 1 (multitrack view) and lock it in time. Mark the notes/phrases you want to edit and apply a split on either side of them. Drag the marked piece down to the next track (track 2) and apply FX to that track. In case you don't know how to apply FX, here's CEP 2.1 help:

There are several ways to add a Real-Time Effect to a track, but here are the two most common. For simplicity#8217;s sake, we#8217;ll assume that this is the first time you#8217;ve applied an effect to a track.

The Organizer Window Way

The Track Controls Way

The Organizer Window Way
If you don#8217;t have the Organizer Window open, press the Alt+9 key to display it.

Click on the Effects tab of the Organizer Window.

Choose the desired Real-Time Effect from the list. (Notice that the names of the non-Real-Time Effects are disabled or #8220;grayed out#8221;.)

Hold down your left-mouse button and drag the effect over to the track.

When you release your mouse button, the Track Effects dialog will appear, allowing you to adjust the properties for the effect you#8217;ve just added, as well as the amount of Wet/Dry mixing of the track#8217;s effect.

The Track Controls Way
Press the FX button for the track you wish to apply a Real-Time Effect. This will cause the Effect Racks dialog to appear.

Choose the desired effect from a list of installed Real-Time Effects in the left column.

Press the Add - > button to add the effect into the Current Effects Rack (the left column) for the track.

Highlight the effect#8217;s name in the left column and press the Properties#8230; button to set the effect#8217;s parameters.

Press Apply if you want to add another effect to the track.

Press OK when you#8217;re finished.

If you have to correct other notes/phrases by a different amount, mark the them and apply a split on either side and drag down to track 3 - you can then adjust the parameters for track 3 and so on.

The full text on tracks and busses is in the help file (Getting Started/Real Time Effects and Busses).

Hope this has been of some help,

John

John Byrne · Location: Germany Posts: 5

OOps sorry for the hash marks in my last message - I coppied and pasted direct from the help file without checking the text.

John

sundance · Location: USA Posts: 95

Hi John; Thanks for the input. I think there may have been a misunderstanding though... Ob-Tune is not an effect native to CEP, it is a 3rd party plug-in. It is only accessible under the "effects" heading in edit view (at least that's the only place I can find it).

I also have tried isolating the portion of the wave which I would like to process, and working on it in another, seperate track. This also does not work. It should not have to be done that way anyway. If it did work it would be a workaround at best, and not addressing the core problem.

I emailed to Synt Support, and they are advising a complete uninstall/reinstall of CEP, along with defrag, etc... I plan to do this stuff tonight. I have no idea if it will help, but it's certainly worth a try. I think maybe I'm going to have to break down and purchase Auto-Tune... I hate to have to do that just in order to finish my current project, but I am very sure it will be of much more use in the future.

I appreciate your input. If you have any other suggestions I would welcome them happily. At the present time, I am waiting for a response from MusicYo, who does not appear anxious to help at all.

Thanks again!

Neil H. (sundance)

PS- Hey Synt MD.... any thoughts? Do you agree with the uninstall/reinstall approach??? Thanks.

jonrose · Location: USA Posts: 2901

Although using some DX plugs in Multitrack View can be somewhat spotty, you can do it.

Hit the FX button on the track you want to use it on, and hit the big button in the middle of the rack setup dialog box ("enable DX effects") and say "yes" to the refresh if that message comes up. Now you should be able to use any DX plugs that are recognized in the Multitrack View.

Best... -Jon

sundance · Location: USA Posts: 95

Thanks Jon... never knew that could be done!

NH

Syntrillium M.D. · Location: USA Posts: 5124

Hi Sun. I'm more inclined to go with JonRose's suggestion of using the 'Refresh' to try and 'jumpstart' the plugin.

An uninstall/reinstall/defrag is not a bad idea, but unless you were suffering from several other problems, it sounds a bit much --- but then again, I'm not privy to all your system specs, free disk space, apps running, other issues, etc.

In any event, try refresh and then try giving it a go in the multitrack. I can honestly say that the original AutoTune (from Antares) does not perform exceptionally well in multitrack - not in any program that I've used - unless you've got a seriously beefy system. (on my newer P4/2.53gHz w/1GB RAM, it's pretty darn smokin') If all else fails, you know what to do.

Let us know.

---Syntrillium, M.D.

sundance · Location: USA Posts: 95

OK, I have tried the plugin in the multitrack view.

Good news / bad news.

Good news... it works! Bad news... unless I am missing something, the effect must be applied to the whole track. I can't find a way to apply pitch correction to a given phrase, and then not apply it to the next phrase.. or apply with certain parameters to one phrase and different parameters to the next.

Given the above, it is still pretty much useless to me, as I don't need to apply the effect evenly to an entire track. I suppose I could work around this to a degree, but creating multiple copies of the wave in question, and then manipulating the volume envelopes to have first a processed phrase heard (while the volume at that particular point is down on the other copies), and then the next phrase heard could be unprocessed, etc... even there though, I could not use differing parameters... it would just be the same set of parameters either applied or not applied, based on which copy of the track is being heard.

Oh well, gave it a shot.

Oh.. one other thing... FWIW, I think that OB-Tune and the automatic function of Auto Tune are the same thing. Neither one works any better than the other, IMHO. Therefore, unless a person needs the manual function offered in Auto Tune, Ob-Tune would be a far better deal... IF YOU CAN GET IT TO WORK!!! LOL

Thanks for the input!

NH (sundance)