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rjt
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Anyone else having problems getting the DXi version of Vokator to show up in their effects list? I upgraded to the 1.1 available now. I tried the trick with creating a batch file to manuall register the plug in. The VST version shows up fine with a wrapper, but not the DXi. NI says they can't get the problem to reproduce for them..... sure!! Anyone else figure out a solution?
Thanks in Advance. Take care.
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ozpeter
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| Posted - Wed May 28, 2003 8:14 pm |
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Presumably you've clicked on 'refresh this list'? Just checking, it's a regular oversight.
- Ozpeter
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Graeme
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| Posted - Wed May 28, 2003 9:26 pm |
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, CEP does not support DXi - I think you're on a loser here.
If this is the case. it's difficult to understand how NI "can't get the problem to reproduce for them", since it would for everyone else!
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jonrose
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| Posted - Wed May 28, 2003 10:28 pm |
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Graeme is correct -
CE will not host DX instruments (DXi), as they are not supported.
It hosts most DX effects plugins just fine.
Best... -Jon
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rjt
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| Posted - Thu May 29, 2003 7:22 pm |
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Thanks for the replies. Did click "refresh this list".... a good reminder. The Vokator instrument doesn't show up..... but the Vokator VST effect shows up with my VST wrapper. I am looking for the DX version of the effect in CEP.... sorry for the confusion with my post. Anyway, the DX version of the effect does not show up in any of my programs which supports DX, while the VST wrapped one does. Hence my confusion.
Take Care
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Syntrillium M.D.
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| Posted - Fri May 30, 2003 8:20 am |
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Yes...it doesn't show up because DX and DXi are entirely different. The host app must support DXi (like Sonar) for it to be enabled.
If it's showing up through your VST wrapper in CEP, I'd go with that.
---Syntrillium, M.D.
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rjt
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| Posted - Sat May 31, 2003 6:24 am |
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Allow me to clarify.... sorry I made an error (okay, mea culpa) and called it DXi. There is a DirectX version of Vokator. CEP does support DirectX (I think). The VST version of the plug in does show up... right next to it, there is a folder labeled DX and a .dll file which should show up in programs which support DX. Anyway, I can use the VST product, but I prefer the "native" DX and generally purchase DX plug ins over VST.
Thanks for your time. Take Care
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Graeme
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| Posted - Sat May 31, 2003 8:54 am |
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| rjt wrote: | | Allow me to clarify.... sorry I made an error (okay, mea culpa) and called it DXi. There is a DirectX version of Vokator. |
Not according to NI, there isn't. Taken from their own publicity;
"The new products REAKTOR 4, REAKTOR SESSION, VOKATOR, ABSYNTH 2, KOMPAKT and INTAKT support VST 2.0 (Mac and Win) and DXi (Win), and will be ready for Audio Units (Mac OS X) and RTAS (Pro Tools) shortly after their release." My emphasis.
Looks like you were right first time... and so were we - CEP does not support DXi. You'll have to stay with the wrapped VST version if you want to use it with Syntrillium products.
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rjt
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| Posted - Sun Jun 01, 2003 6:57 am |
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They probaby have not mentioned it in their publicity for the sake of brevity, but I am pretty sure there are both DXi and DX versions of Vokator. For one thing, if you look in the DXi folder created when you install the product, there are 2 .dlls, one labeled DXi and one labeled DX. Also, when you look at products which supports VSTi's and VST effects (or wuch effects which are wrapped), there is a version of Vokator which appears in the VSTi list and one that appears in the VST effects list (two versions of the product, one labeled VST-sy which is a synth version and one which is labeled VST-f, which is an effect version). Finally, as CEP does not support VSTi, the VST version of Vokator that shows up in the wrapper, is the effect version, not the VST-sy, synth version.
Sooooo, a long-winded way of saying, I would like to try to use the native DX effect version in CEP. The NI support team tells me then cannot reproduce the problem and their DX versions show up.
Making music with computers... gotta love it!!!
Thanks for your time. Take care.
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jonrose
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| Posted - Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:38 pm |
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I think I'd have sent an email to NI, with a point-blank question about any actual DX versions. Seems like that would at least clear that part of the question up.
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Best... -Jon
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Bernie
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| Posted - Fri Jun 27, 2003 9:36 am |
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Just wondering if you've got some clarity on Vokator rjt. I've heard good things about Vokator, and was wondering whether it's usable in CEP.
TIA.
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Graeme
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| Bernie wrote: | | Just wondering if you've got some clarity on Vokator rjt. I've heard good things about Vokator, and was wondering whether it's usable in CEP. |
The Vokator product brochure clearly states the following supported interfaces;
VST ® 2.0,MAS ™,Audio Units ™,DXi II ™,ASIO ™,
Soundmanager ™,Core Audio,DirectSound ™,OMS
On that basis, it won't work with CEP (which doesn't host DXi).
Unfortunately, here we have yet another thread where we are left hanging in the air. Did rjt contact NI? What did they tell him? Why hasn't he told us?
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Bernie
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| Posted - Fri Jun 27, 2003 1:43 pm |
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Yep shame. I did see that bit about the NI blurb, but I was clinging to a little hope in his last post, where he says that Vokator has a .dll labelled DX. And he is not too clear whether it sings with a wrapper or not. I hope someone brings some interesting news about Vokator because it is the dog's doo-dahs in vocoding, especially if you want to create those trendy yodeling vocoder FX a la 'Believe' by Cher, or is there another vocoder that can achieve this FX? I think I understand the logic that underpins this one .. it's a mix of mic input and midi synth, with an up/down arpeggiator? Maybe it could be done in CEP, mixed manually, using a common soft vocoder? Just thinking aloud .. would this involve 'sending' one part of it down a channel? I realy am just guessing. But it would be nice to get this effect down in CEP:D, specially for the radio jocks.
Bernie.
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Graeme
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| Posted - Fri Jun 27, 2003 4:16 pm |
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| Bernie wrote: | | .... especially if you want to create those trendy yodeling vocoder FX a la 'Believe' by Cher, or is there another vocoder that can achieve this FX? |
Many people (myself included) originally thought this effect was produced using the Antares pitch corrector (if you look in the archive, you'll find a long thread about this very subject). However, it turned out that it was, indeed, achieved using a vocoder.
However, you can certainly produce an indistiguishable version of the same effect using the Antares kit.
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VoodooRadio
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| Posted - Fri Jun 27, 2003 4:31 pm |
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Bernie
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| Posted - Sat Jun 28, 2003 5:16 pm |
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Yah, I had to check the spelling of 'yodeling'  .
Thanks Graeme I'll check out the Antares kit, if it doesn't make me sound like Cher I'm coming back here  . I like their Microphone Modeller.
Found it, I think, do you mean the Antares Autotune DX? I'll check it out.
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Graeme
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| Posted - Sun Jun 29, 2003 3:31 am |
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| Bernie wrote: | Thanks Graeme I'll check out the Antares kit, if it doesn't make me sound like Cher I'm coming back here . I like their Microphone Modeller.
Found it, I think, do you mean the Antares Autotune DX? I'll check it out. |
That's the one. It won't make you sound like Cher , but it will produce the same effect. I'd say it was probably a lot easier than the method originally used.
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