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Roger The Shrubber Posts: 159	Posted - Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:55 am  Due to some bizarre corruption of my OS, help files no longer work. I was just wondering if the PDF you can download from the Synt. website is as good, better, worse, then the built-in help file in CEP.
VoodooRadio Location: USA Posts: 3971	Posted - Fri Jul 18, 2003 9:10 am  Why not just reload the software? If you have any presets that you want to save, be sure and copy your .ini file before wiping out. _________________ I said Good Day! Voodoo
Roger The Shrubber Posts: 159	Posted - Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:42 am  It's not just CEP that has the problem, it's any program that uses the .chm format for help files. Trust me, I've tried everything from trying to replace the hh.exe file needed to read this format to installing SP-2 for Win2K, to manually installing the file using Windows PE.
Graeme Member Location: Spain Posts: 4663	Posted - Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:57 am  Why not just re-install the whole OS - that should sort out any corrupted file/s you seem to have? _________________ Graeme Don't forget to join the new CEP forum at audiomastersforum
Roger The Shrubber Posts: 159	Posted - Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:07 pm  Gentlemen, I really appreciate the help you are trying to provide but (please don't take this the wrong way) I am a senior computer tech for a major power company up here in the Northwest. I know what I'm doing and don't need advice on re-installing the OS or programs. I have months invested in getting my computer set up with everything running right. It isn't worth re-installing everything just for the help files to work. I really just want to know if there is any difference in the PDF versus the built in help files. PS. Again, please don't take this the wrong way, you guys are fantastic when it comes to helping others.
William Rose Location: USA Posts: 467	Posted - Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:28 pm  Roger The Shrubber wrote: I really just want to know if there is any difference in the PDF versus the built in help files. Is there any difference between Cool Edits help system and the PDF manual ? YES ! I like to have paper to read and thumb through and highlight. And so, there were so many things I kept coming across in the help file that were noteworthy (invaluable in some cases) that I could not find anywhere in the Pdf document, that I wound up going through the help system and copying and pasting the body of each topic, and then the text from all of the pop-up windows into a Word document, then laying it all out so everything was in logical order. And that is the document I use for reference. But unless you feel like doing all that, you're stuck with the manual. And since you seem to think it would cause too much hassle to fix your help system, what difference does it really make to you anyway ? The manual is all you've got.
DeluXMan Location: Canada Posts: 330	Posted - Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:36 pm  I've been wondering about and looking for the PDF manual but still havn't found it. Is there a link here somewhere? I guess i finally need glasses.
William Rose Location: USA Posts: 467	Posted - Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:20 pm  DeluXMan wrote: I've been wondering about and looking for the PDF manual but still havn't found it. Is there a link here somewhere? I guess i finally need glasses. http://ftp.syntrillium.com/pub/cep/cep2man.pdf That's for version 2.0.
ozpeter Location: Australia Posts: 3200	Posted - Sat Jul 19, 2003 6:37 pm  In my experience there is almost no difference between the pdf and the help file, content-wise. - Ozpeter
MusicConductor Location: USA Posts: 1524	Posted - Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:22 pm  William, do you still have that Word document? Would it be possible to keep the copyright notices intact, post it somewhere, and give us a stab at it? (Or at least email it to Roger!)
William Rose Location: USA Posts: 467	Posted - Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:29 am  Nooooo, I don't. By the way, I'm talking about 1.2a, 2.0's is identical.
MusicConductor Location: USA Posts: 1524	Posted - Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:29 am  AH! Now THAT's important. And it only raises a further question, and that is what the PDF is like next to 2.1's help files. I suppose in a few weeks it won't matter! OK, Roger: it's down to which version of CEP you use.
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:30 am  There certainly is a much greater degree of convergence in the help/pdf situation with CEP2.x _________________
William Rose Location: USA Posts: 467	Posted - Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:37 am  Roger The Shrubber wrote: Gentlemen, I really appreciate the help you are trying to provide but (please don't take this the wrong way) I am a senior computer tech for a major power company up here in the Northwest. I know what I'm doing and don't need advice on re-installing the OS or programs. I have months invested in getting my computer set up with everything running right. It isn't worth re-installing everything just for the help files to work. You know, being a senior computer tech for a major power company up here in the northwest, why did it take you months to get your computer running "right", and why do you feel you need to reinstall "everything" in order to run Setup.exe, which is patently untrue. It might do you some good to understand that you don't know a great deal of what you're talking about, and allow yourself to learn some things. Like, how to fix your help system. Running Setup WILL fix this problem, and you won't need to reinstall ANYTHING. You MAY need to delete a few of the "Extra" folders that Windows throws on your disk but everything else will remain right where it was. So, a "senior computer tech" you may be, but a Windows Expert you are not.
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:41 am  Roger The Shrubber wrote: Gentlemen, I really appreciate the help you are trying to provide but (please don't take this the wrong way) I am a senior computer tech for a major power company up here in the Northwest. I know what I'm doing and don't need advice on re-installing the OS or programs. I have months invested in getting my computer set up with everything running right. It isn't worth re-installing everything just for the help files to work. I really just want to know if there is any difference in the PDF versus the built in help files. PS. Again, please don't take this the wrong way, you guys are fantastic when it comes to helping others. All these comments notwithstanding, the only thing I have to say is restore C:\WINDOWS\WINHLP32.exe - certainly not worth a complete OS reload! (mind you, this is on Win98SE - YMMV) (and if this is too silly for words, please ignore completely) _________________
SteveG Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695	Posted - Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:47 am  William Rose wrote: So, a "senior computer tech" you may be, but a Windows Expert you are not. Now, now William, calm down... there's no need to start a war. Roger did say that his problem was bizarre, and appeared to be soliciting comments about this, but ultimately we have to let him deal with it his way, I think... _________________
William Rose Location: USA Posts: 467	Posted - Wed Jul 23, 2003 11:14 am  But...But....(sigh).....fine. I guess. :S SORRY Roger.......
Roger The Shrubber Posts: 159	Posted - Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:42 am  Ok, I not going to get in a war over this, all I wanted was a comparison of the built-in help vs the PDF. Mr. Rose, on a Win2K system, you can't run "setup". You have the option to repair or wipe out and start fresh. I have tried everything to repair the help problem and it just isn't going to work. It happened when I was installing Office XP and experienced a power outage as the setup was running. Obviously it corrupted something. Replacing the WINHLP32.exe file won't do any good either. That file is used to read .hlp type help files, not the .chm help files which is read by hh.exe. As far as me saying I'm a senior computer tech, I'm not braging, I just wanted to let people know the skill level I'm working at and not try to coddle me through re-installing or other ideas that I didn't want to perform at this point in time. If I've offended anyone, I'm sorry, I was just looking for a simple answer. In retrospect, I should have worded my second post a little different. I was in a bad mood at the time and wasn't thinking clearly. I do want to re-install the OS at some point. The reason I wanted to know if there was any major difference is whether it would be worth it to re-install right away or finish up some projects I'm working on (not all audio related).
MusicConductor Location: USA Posts: 1524	Posted - Thu Jul 24, 2003 9:01 am  ...which I hope, Roger, you've found a little assurance that the help information is OK and reinstalling could wait. Or is it too late?
clintfan Location: USA Posts: 455	Posted - Thu Jul 24, 2003 10:11 am  Roger, for CEP 1.2a, for parameter/button help, I prefer the online help, as I think the descriptions there are excellent. For bigger-picture things, like what features there are, or where they moved to in CEP 2.x, then I go browse the PDF. So I believe both are useful. -clintfan
django Location: United Kingdom Posts: 48	Posted - Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:35 pm  ozpeter wrote: In my experience there is almost no difference between the pdf and the help file, content-wise. - Ozpeter the pdf is harder to search. _________________
Roger The Shrubber Posts: 159	Posted - Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:01 pm  Thanks for the replys. MC, no I haven't reloaded yet. Too many projects to work on, but I probably will reload in a few months.
William Rose Location: USA Posts: 467	Posted - Fri Jul 25, 2003 3:34 am  clintfan wrote: Roger, for CEP 1.2a, for parameter/button help, I prefer the online help, as I think the descriptions there are excellent. For bigger-picture things, like what features there are, or where they moved to in CEP 2.x, then I go browse the PDF. So I believe both are useful. -clintfan Yes. But I would continue to say, that if you have the PDF, even in the case of 1.2a, where the difference is more pronounced, you shouldn't find yourself in a position where you needed the help file so bad that it caused some sort of catastrophe. There were just some neat tricks and tips in 1.2a's help file, like how you can listen to the difference between a file that you applied some nr to, and the original, by using "mix paste". If that's in the manual, I sure can't find it. And Roger, about being an A-Hole earlier...It's kind of curious, I read your post the first couple of times, and it didn't bother me a bit, read it again later and all of a sudden I felt the need to argue about it.....I am trying to quit smoking for what it's worth, but at any rate, I am sorry about that.
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