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SeanC
Location: USA
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I'm building a second studio for video & audio editing. I'm running a high quality signal path through a Panasonic da7 mixer. From there into a haffler amp and currently into Event 20/20's (unpowered). I've been happy with their sound for years but realize they might be a weak link in my chain.
The room is primarily used to mix broadcast promos.
I've heard many say the mackie's are too colored. Is that a general consensus? What are the top 3 unpowered or powered (nearfield?) monitors that you would consider. I'm hoping to stay under $1000, but would consider something else if it sounded much better / more accurate.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Sean
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ozpeter
Location: Australia
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There have been a number of previous threads on this subject - while waiting for specific replies, try searching the forum for 'nearfield'.
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Craig Jackman
Location: Canada
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| Posted - Thu Jul 31, 2003 5:39 am |
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I've got a Genelec 1029/1092 setup that I think is just about perfect. The 1029 satellites alone should be just over $1k, and you won't miss the sub that much. Cheaper than that I've come to like Tannoy Reveal actives. I'm in the dessenting minority that don't like the Mackie's with the 8" woofer. I find them, well, woofy. I'd be interested in trying the 6.5" Mackies, which I think would have a better balance.
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Graeme
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| Posted - Thu Jul 31, 2003 7:09 am |
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| SeanC wrote: | | .... currently into Event 20/20's (unpowered). I've been happy with their sound for years but realize they might be a weak link in my chain. |
If you've been using these for any length of time, then you (presumably) know how their 'sound' relates to other systems and mix accordingly. Do you really want to start that learning curve all over again for another type of speaker?
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SeanC
Location: USA
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| Posted - Thu Jul 31, 2003 8:02 am |
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| Graeme wrote: | | If you've been using these for any length of time, then you (presumably) know how their 'sound' relates to other systems and mix accordingly. Do you really want to start that learning curve all over again for another type of speaker? |
I believe so...it will be a new room, so I think even new 20/20's would sound different in a different room...might as well learn how the mix sounds like in room two from the start. That is a good point though, mixes may sound different from the two different rooms if people aren't used to it.
After reading quite a bit on google groups, the Mackie 824 get plenty of props, and I'm probably in error repeating that they are "colored." Some recent respectable test showed them to be the flattest out of anything they could get their hands on. hmm...
The 20/20's also get mentined as sounding great, so maybe I do have a nice set of nearfields for under $500!
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MusicConductor
Location: USA
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I concur with Craig that the Mackies have too colored a sound in the low mid/high bass range (depending on your definition).
We went with JBL LSR-28Ps for our new "premium" speakers, which are just a little too much for really nearfield work -- midfield is more like it (the non-premiums are Auratones with a horrifying EQ curve applied). The problem with the the JBSs is they're too sweet. They've got such clarity and detail that an inferior dull mix has sounded good on them, and after a check elsewhere I've found myself crying, "What was I thinking?" This is precisely the reason NS-10s became so helpful.
At this point a very small pair of new nearfields for A/B comparisons might just be a good idea for me as well.
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djwayne
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Okay MC, you've convinced me to try the NS-10's I have seperately from everything else, again. I'll have to wire in a speaker select switch, so I can do A/B tests. But I'll keep everything else, including the sub-woofers for a final check. hehehehe......
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djwayne
Location: USA
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Okay I'm done re-wiring !!
I started out disconnecting the Peavey passive sub. Then installed a po'man's speaker selector switch (4 el cheapo 110 volt switches in a box) to turn off the 12" cabinets, leaving the NS-10's the only thing connected all the time. So two of the switches will control the 12's, and the other two switches control the speakers in my living room/recording area.
How's it sound, you ask ?? Great !! The Peavey Sub was draining my signals and muddying up the sound a little, the NS-10 seem to have more power and sound better without it. When I kick on the 12" cabinets, it sounds very similar to the NS-10's but with more punch, and a little brighter high end. It has a really nice clean sound.
With the 5.1 setup, the NS-10's match the rear Bose Bookshelf speakers very well, as they are similar in size and speaker configuration. Sound is superb, but I get added punch with the the 12's, and just a tad brighter high end. The NS-10's with the powered sub & center channel speaker sounds good, and for an added punch on the low end, I kick on the 12's and the 12's definetly do a good job, without altering much else. The Peavey sub woofer is now only used as a speaker stand, and I'm much happier with the new setup.
The living room speaker switch is for turning the speakers there on and off during recording sessions, while maintaining the sound on in the control room. They sound okay for a quick referrence.
With this configuration, I really like the NS-10's much better now !!!!!
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VoodooRadio
Location: USA
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Having recently worked with an Event system (powered with sub), I doubt that they are a "weak link". I also agree with Graeme in.... if you've developed your ear on the Event's, and can build mixes that transfer well using them.... why change? However, if your just dying to lay out some serious $$$, look at Quested, Westlake Audio, P.A.S., and Meyers. (just to name a few). 
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