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shagrock Location: USA Posts: 137	Posted - Mon Jun 18, 2001 10:20 am  Well my old Dual 606, is getting old, and the rumble on it is getting bad. I am looking at getting a new turntable, for my LP to CD-R transfer. What I am looking at is the Denon DP-47F. So what does everyone think?
Syntrillium M.D. Location: USA Posts: 5124	Posted - Mon Jun 18, 2001 10:59 am  i have a DP-7F and it's performed very nicely with my Ortophon cartridge. Pretty robust too, as it's been shipped around with me quite a bit and is still kicking. Certainly, there are more hi-fi tables out there...but with a variety of available styli out there, I'd say it's a good buy... ---Syntrillium Support _________________
urumuqi74 Posts: 1038	Posted - Wed Jun 20, 2001 10:52 am  I had a peep on the Denon website. The turntable seems quite sturdy which is a good advantage. However, I am not impressed by the tonearm assembly and the too many automatic features. I would at least go out to the nearest hi-fi shop to compare it with what is available in the same bugdet range and then take a final decision. It's a day of work for a lifetime investment. Do you have the retail price of this turntable? I can suggest you other things to look at. :-) _________________ The truth is out there!
Syntrillium M.D. Location: USA Posts: 5124	Posted - Wed Jun 20, 2001 11:25 am  hi Uru. Yeah, I'd have to agree with you about the Tonearm - that's probably the 'weakest' part of the turntable; but it is rather sturdy otherwise. :-) ---Syntrillium Support _________________
shagrock Location: USA Posts: 137	Posted - Wed Jun 20, 2001 12:10 pm  Quote: I had a peep on the Denon website. The turntable seems quite sturdy which is a good advantage. However, I am not impressed by the tonearm assembly and the too many automatic features. I would at least go out to the nearest hi-fi shop to compare it with what is available in the same bugdet range and then take a final decision. It's a day of work for a lifetime investment. Do you have the retail price of this turntable? I can suggest you other things to look at. :-) Yeah I have been to my local stores, and it is that one or the cheap $150 denon, that comes with the cart build in. There is not a lot of choices these days. Oh yeah one more thing of the 5 or 6 local shops I went too (all high end shops), none have any for display and they all most be ordered. And the price going for the denon is around $650. Edited by - shagrock on 06/20/2001 12:13:50 PM
urumuqi74 Posts: 1038	Posted - Wed Jun 20, 2001 1:06 pm  Quote: There is not a lot of choices these days. Oh yeah one more thing of the 5 or 6 local shops I went too (all high end shops), none have any for display and they all most be ordered. And the price going for the denon is around $650. Edited by - shagrock on 06/20/2001 12:13:50 PM That's true, the choice has gone down considerably since the introduction of the CD player. Since no high end shop is able to demonstrate the quality and differences of other products (what this business has come to?), I think that going for the Denon is a smart choice. Happy listening! _________________ The truth is out there!
Syntrillium M.D. Location: USA Posts: 5124	Posted - Wed Jun 20, 2001 5:11 pm  Indeed, as Uru said, I don't think you'll be sorry. Mine's been running flawlessly for nearly 7 years, with only a few stylus replacements (obviously). Go for it, and enjoy the sounds of yesteryear... ---Syntrillium Support _________________
shagrock Location: USA Posts: 137	Posted - Wed Jun 20, 2001 6:26 pm  Quote: Indeed, as Uru said, I don't think you'll be sorry. Mine's been running flawlessly for nearly 7 years, with only a few stylus replacements (obviously). Go for it, and enjoy the sounds of yesteryear... ---Syntrillium Support OK thanks to both Uru and Synt I think I might, now the big question is what kind of cart do I want for it? This should help improve my LP to CD transfer, plus I love buying stereo equ.
urumuqi74 Posts: 1038	Posted - Thu Jun 21, 2001 5:06 am  Quote: OK thanks to both Uru and Synt I think I might, now the big question is what kind of cart do I want for it? This should help improve my LP to CD transfer, plus I love buying stereo equ. Don't ask me why, I like the Grado cartridges. From the cheapest model up to the ceiling, I feel that that you have a lot more than you bargain for. I remember that I had the cheapest of their model installed on my brand new Linn Lp 12 some 20 years ago and waited a few years before replacing it. Whatever cartridge you will will purchase, make sure that a competent tech. will install it or if you are skilled enough install it yourself. :-) _________________ The truth is out there!
shagrock Location: USA Posts: 137	Posted - Thu Jun 21, 2001 5:52 am  Quote: Whatever cartridge you will will purchase, make sure that a competent tech. will install it or if you are skilled enough install it yourself. :-) Oh trust me on this one, I will not install it myself, I know better. The nice thing is my Carver Preamp, has a built in MC transformer, so I can use either a MM or MC cart. The one place by me only sells audio-technica carts, but the one on the other side of town did carry Grado's.
urumuqi74 Posts: 1038	Posted - Thu Jun 21, 2001 6:25 am  Quote: audio-technica carts Your Denon turntable deserves a lot better than that!!! Usually installed on Technics SL-220!!! _________________ The truth is out there!
Syntrillium M.D. Location: USA Posts: 5124	Posted - Thu Jun 21, 2001 8:58 am  AT cartridges? Well, not my choice either. Seek out a Grado or Ortophon, you won't be sorry. I was not able to find them locally either; but if you do a yahoo/google search there's a great place out there on the web (i forget the name off hand)...something like LP Cartridges.com - something like that. It's a store out of the mid-west and they stock everything. Reasonable prices and fast delivery. Just do a search. ---Syntrillium Support _________________
shagrock Location: USA Posts: 137	Posted - Thu Jun 21, 2001 9:08 am  Quote: AT cartridges? Well, not my choice either. Seek out a Grado or Ortophon, you won't be sorry. I was not able to find them locally either; but if you do a yahoo/google search there's a great place out there on the web (i forget the name off hand)...something like LP Cartridges.com - something like that. It's a store out of the mid-west and they stock everything. Reasonable prices and fast delivery. Just do a search. ---Syntrillium Support I found them needledoctor has them, I am looking at the Grado - Gold Prestige. And yeah I have had AT before and was not all that impressed, my current one is a signet.
Teddy G. Posts: 241	Posted - Mon Jun 25, 2001 6:42 pm  Ditto the DP-7F(Stanton cartridge). Nice, and the few "auto" functions work well, often being more sure than my fat and clumsy fingers. If we are speaking of the DP-7F, I am uncertain how a "peak at a website" would give one insite into the quality of a tonearm? The Ford Explorer with Firestone Radial ATX's looks pretty good in pictures... In any event, if you need a tone-arm you can ride on(kids!), I think a model or two of the Technics TT's might still be available? Audiophiles might poo-poo, but they are built quite nicely and work well, often with variable, repeatable, speed control and other sometimes useful features. Should be several choices in cartridge/stylus combos, too. Also, in my area there is a "vinyl club", that has regular "flea markets". Maybe you have such events and clubs in your area? Maybe you'd find TT's on sale at such an event? If I was looking for a turntable, I'd call every radio station in the area, ask for the chief engineer and see "what he had in stock". That's where all the used stuff goes, at least the good used stuff(it wasn't all beat-to-death before it "disappeared"). A C.E. friend of mine retired awhile back and I asked him if he had gotten all of his stuff out of the station. He said, "Yeah, I got all of mine...and some of theirs." Believe it!
urumuqi74 Posts: 1038	Posted - Tue Jun 26, 2001 10:38 am  Quote: Ditto the DP-7F(Stanton cartridge). Nice, and the few "auto" functions work well, often being more sure than my fat and clumsy fingers. If we are speaking of the DP-7F, I am uncertain how a "peak at a website" would give one insite into the quality of a tonearm? The Ford Explorer with Firestone Radial ATX's looks pretty good in pictures... In any event, if you need a tone-arm you can ride on(kids!), I think a model or two of the Technics TT's might still be available? Audiophiles might poo-poo, but they are built quite nicely and work well, often with variable, repeatable, speed control and other sometimes useful features. What Firestone/Explorer has to do with the comment made on the tonearm? How easy it is to assert a tonearm? Experience, that's all. Nevertheless, it was never mentioned that the tonearm was bad, just the weakest part. Yes, you can still find Technics turntable with SME Mark V tonearm in fleamarket. Unfortunately, not on this planet!!! too bad. ;-) _________________ The truth is out there!
Teddy G. Posts: 241	Posted - Thu Jun 28, 2001 4:02 pm  If I have to explain my attempts at humor I gues... Wait a minute... Oops! Maybe you own a Ford Explorer with Firestone tires? Sorry if I hit a nerve. As "Click and Clack said to one listener about the Suzuki Samuri, "...it's a great car, you'll flip over it!" Actually I think it's all more "hooey" than anything. Same as the Great Tube/Transistor Debate. Am I losing you again? As I probably have as much experience with TT's as most, I would have to say that the tone-arm has been the weak link on all of them. So many variations, all claiming to track more properly while inflicting less damage to the recording. Remember the one that went straight accross, inside to outside on the "gantry" as it were? The big 'ol Gates broadcast TT's had huge wooden tone-arms. As I recall, on one model, only the "head" moved up and down(the cartridge holder), the arm itself just went back and forth. What I want is a 16" transcription TT. A friend claims to have a large collection of these discs. Of course they were used for commercials, programs, whatever. Many radio stations had facilities to record same. I was employed by one such station, literally a few weeks after they'd thrown an entire room full of such discs away(Oh, the Humanity!!!). C'mon folks, let's try not to be so serious, huh? And, by the way, when we had a record that wanted to skip apparently from a tone-arm that was just too light, we taped a nickel on the cartridge holder. If that didn't work a quarter almost always did. At least...once...
urumuqi74 Posts: 1038	Posted - Fri Jun 29, 2001 6:00 am  Quote: Sorry if I hit a nerve. Yes you did! Quote: Am I losing you again? Not at all, I guess that you're the lost one. The original post was refering to turntables, in this case, a Denon DP-47F. Quote: C'mon folks, let's try not to be so serious, huh? Why not? Someone was about or did spend 650 U$ on a turntable!!! Trying to sell him a Ford Explorer was a way too much!!! He has a tight budget!!! I see that you realized it and try to sell him a suzuki-Samurai instead!!! Quote: The big 'ol Gates broadcast TT's had huge wooden tone-arms Yes, I have used old McCurdy broadcast turntables with wooden tonearm. Quite good, I must admit. _________________ The truth is out there!
shagrock Location: USA Posts: 137	Posted - Fri Jun 29, 2001 7:26 am  Quote: Why not? Someone was about or did spend 650 U$ on a turntable!!! Trying to sell him a Ford Explorer was a way too much!!! He has a tight budget!!! I see that you realized it and try to sell him a suzuki-Samurai instead!!! And still looking into it I am, tight budget, LOL, only since the divorce.
urumuqi74 Posts: 1038	Posted - Fri Jun 29, 2001 9:17 am  By the way, good choice of cartridge for the turntable. Top of its class. :-) _________________ The truth is out there!
dpalomaki Posts: 54	Posted - Sun Jul 01, 2001 5:43 am  Tight budget for a turntable? Check garage/yard sales. If you around in a large metro area, you can find decent (if old) turntables for a song. May need new belts and cartridge. You also can find a lot of dogs, so you have to be a careful shopper. See a lot of LPs for sale too, but they are iffy at best!
SoundZilla Posts: 5	Posted - Mon Jul 02, 2001 4:20 am  Im not all that fammiliar with tt's so it might sound stupid. but her goes: My friend has a Vestax turntable for around 600 (dutch guilders), belt-driven and comes with fancy looks & colors too :) has an S-tone-arm, robuust base, and (yes) has auto-features (but that isnt much appreciated i think). Forgot the model-name (sorry) In my oppinion an SL-1200 (i have 'two') with good cartridge (other than the stanton 500AL's) is a good one (for recording) too. Just a bit pricey i think. Those thingies are solid and can handle quite a bit. And they spin so acurate :) But hey, im not that an expert. SoundZilla
SoundZilla Posts: 5	Posted - Mon Jul 02, 2001 4:26 am  Another thingie on using Stanton carts.. The 'old' 500AL's (cartridge-type D5107A) ar eout of production. The follow-ups (cartridge-type D5100), said to be the same as it's predecesor and comes in blue. Are in fact inferior to the old ones. I heard of these blue carts of the 500AL model being broadcast versions ! --quite complex, i dont understand the whole situation. Why stanton want to replace something thats been doing so well foor so long ? Alot of deejay's are mad. And i am mad too 8s Those blue carts just dont sound the same.. So please be carefull for a ripp-off when buying a 500AL-II cartridge/element.. Go for the white carts :) SoundZilla
Teddy G. Posts: 241	Posted - Mon Jul 02, 2001 5:30 pm  Going back to the original post, saying rumble was pretty bad. Could be caused by an old belt drying out? No I don't have an address as it's been quite awhile ago, but I have seen at least one on-line company selling replacement belts for TT's. Stated as being "better than original"(and likely are in most cases with more modern materials). If all else seems O.K., one would be well-advised to try replacing the belt before giving the old TT the old Heave-ho.
urumuqi74 Posts: 1038	Posted - Tue Jul 03, 2001 6:40 am  That's a good idea. I usually have my belt looked at when I go for the TT tune -up. Yes, a Linn is like a car, it needs some preventive maintenance. _________________ The truth is out there!
shagrock Location: USA Posts: 137	Posted - Tue Jul 03, 2001 7:34 am  Quote: Going back to the original post, saying rumble was pretty bad. Could be caused by an old belt drying out? No I don't have an address as it's been quite awhile ago, but I have seen at least one on-line company selling replacement belts for TT's. Stated as being "better than original"(and likely are in most cases with more modern materials). If all else seems O.K., one would be well-advised to try replacing the belt before giving the old TT the old Heave-ho. Well I would have but the Dual 606 is a Direct Drive TT, so no belt, when the rumble gets bad on a Direct Drive, it means the bearings are going. I found a web site that has a pic and spec of my old dual, just in case you are wondering what the OLD TT looks like, and I have had it since '79. http://www.compassnet.com/concept/tables/606.htm Edited by - shagrock on 07/03/2001 07:54:39 AM
Teddy G. Posts: 241	Posted - Tue Jul 03, 2001 6:59 pm  I would say it's a lovely piece, looking at the picture, but I believe I've beaten that horse to near death, ey? Otherwise, '79 is a ways back, but, maybe a replacement motor? Nah... A new(or newer) TT does sound like a good idea. Best of success!
shagrock Location: USA Posts: 137	Posted - Mon Jul 16, 2001 6:54 pm  I would like to thank everyone for their input, just to let you know I got the denon with the grado gold. I am listening to it right now. Now Playing Ambrosia 'Somewhere I've Never Travelled' vintage 1976 Only thing I have to say is like wow, I have tears in my eyes, it sounds great. The old one was worse than I thought. wow no rumble much cleaning recording. wow wow wow wow. And I got a good deal on the Gold Prestige, only $80 :) Edited by - shagrock on 07/16/2001 6:56:41 PM
urumuqi74 Posts: 1038	Posted - Tue Jul 17, 2001 7:53 pm  A thread with an happy ending!!! Enjoy. URU _________________ The truth is out there!
motorhead_6 Posts: 330	Posted - Wed Jul 25, 2001 6:46 am  I dont want to argue with everybody so I will just tell you what I have. A Technics SL-QL5 Quartz direct drive automatic turntable which is linear tracking. It is an excellent turntable and the only problem with it is that it wont play a warped record all the way to the end. I have a Technics SL-Q3 that is not linear tracking that will play warped records all the way to the end. I dont have home stereo equipment, I have PA equipment. I run a 230W RMS per channel amp into 8 ohms (600 Watts RMS bridged into 4 ohms). If you are going to do this you will want to ground the turntable to the power amp. Just connect a wire (the thicker the better) to the power amp (connect it to a screw on the amp or something) and run the other end up to the turntable and stick it into the hole that is for that if it doesnt have a ground wire attached allready.
rockindel1 Posts: 213	Posted - Thu Jul 26, 2001 3:27 pm  Denon has a DJ turntable I cant recall the model # but it has 33,45 and if you press the 33 and 45 buttons together it plays 78 it also has a spdif connection to connect digitally to your soundcard
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