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Despised7 · Member Posts: 85

Hey guys,

I just downloaded and tried out the Ozone plug-in. It's pretty damn cool if you ask me. I especially like the exciter. Anyways, here is my question.....are there any effects built in to CEP 2.0 that could have the same result as some of the features in Ozone? I don't think there are. Also, does anybody know of any "free" plug-ins that work good? I've always been satisfied with CEP's built in effects so I haven't explored this area yet.

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Thanks,
Chris

Despised7 · Member Posts: 85

sorry guys, i haven't posted on the board for a while...here's the link again. haha.
http://www.mp3.com/separatedonline

jonrose · Location: USA Posts: 2901

Well, there are some similarities to a couple of functions in CE...

But the graphic EQ doesn't quite sound, or react, the same way, nor does the Hard Limiter (in CE - similar to the Loudness Maximizer in Ozone).

There are some other exciter plugins out there, but there's nothing like that in CE.

Remember, also, that iZotope wrote Ozone to try to emulate an analog model, not a digital one.

If you can't pay the freight on Ozone, I'd say save your sheckles, because you can't beat the price for what you're getting. You might even spend a lot more trying to collect other plugins to do the same job - And if not in terms of money, then in terms of time spent - And of course, time is money to most of us...
Wink

It's entirely up to you, though. You have to decide what your time and money are worth to you and what tools seem to best fit your working environment.

All the best... -Jon

Despised7 · Member Posts: 85

Rock! Thanks for the reply. I've been 'prowling' the web for cep plug-ins, and you're right.... I have not found anything even close to ozone. So, I guess I will just have to settle for the demo for a while and save up to buy the real deal.

Craig Jackman · Location: Canada Posts: 909

At least you don't have to save too long. Compared to similar plug ins like Waves C4 ro even TRacks, Ozone is such a good deal. In the meantime, download their mastering manual. Really well written, and it will give you lots of tips that you can use in the meantime.

Despised7 · Member Posts: 85

Thanks Craig!
Yeah, Ozone is definitely not a bad price at all. I just downloaded the mastering manual and plan on reading it. You can never learn enough about all this stuff. I'm actually working on a new project right now with my band. I've been using CEP for somewhere around 4 years or so...i think...i dunno, when you have fun the time really flys by! I've been extremely happy with my results with CEP. I think adding ozone to my arsenal with give me a whole new set of tools to play with. Yeah!

-Chris-

Despised7 · Member Posts: 85

Well guys, I am now the proud owner of Ozone. :-) Hahah....now I have many hours of learning in front of me. Thanks for the help.
-Chris-

sundance · Location: USA Posts: 95

Hi Folks;

I have downloaded the demo version of Ozone, and when previewing it is extremely staticy and jumpy... I wrote izotope support about this and they suggested increasing the preview buffer size (BTW- in CEP help file, it states default is 1000ms, but both my CEP 1.2a and 2.0 are defaulted at 250...). Anyway, I did this at various stops all the way up to 5000ms, where it maxes out, and still the same result, extremely staticy and jumpy. I emailed back to izptope again but they have yet to offer anything further. Any suggestions?

System is pent III, 450mhz, 448 RAM, Delta 44 soundcard, and a seperate 40 Gig HD dedicated to audio only. I have gotten very good audio results with this setup so far.

Any help/advice would be appreciated.

Thanks! NH (sundance)

Craig Jackman · Location: Canada Posts: 909

I think it's processor. When I was reviewing Ozone, I couldn't get it to preview cleanly. I checked the requirements, and my system was below them, and yours is right around the lower limit in term of processor speed.

What I'd suggest is bypassing modules that you're not using, and turning off all the animation effects. Try using only one module at a time.

Ozone is a great piece of software, but it is a power hog. The good thing is that eventhough it may not preview cleanly, but it will process cleanly in 1.2a ... because 1.2a does not do effects in real time. Same for 2.0 so long as you don't apply Ozone to an effects bus.

Syntrillium M.D. · Location: USA Posts: 5124

Despised7 · Member Posts: 85

Hey guys,
Yeah, I have the same problem with the 'jumpiness'. But, it is definitely related to processor speed. Sundance, you have 50mhz on my system, i'm only running ozone on a 400mhz system. I just 'solo' the module that i am working on....then i process a small portion of my audio and check it out....if it doesn't sound right i use cep's 'undo' button(The undo button has become my best-friend recently). Hopefully soon i will be able to buy a faster cpu.
Bye for now.
-Chris-

jonrose · Location: USA Posts: 2901

Just to corroborate...

When Ozone first came out, we started using it on a PIII at 550MHz with a full L2 cache (this processor had a 512 level 2 cache on the chip - many Pentium III's are only 256) and it still wouldn't preview with all the modules turned on, particularly if the loudness maximizer is running brickwall instead of soft-limiting. It almost would, but only with preview buffer running at 4 seconds. Speed is of the essence!

This is definitely a processor issue. Ozone is a 64-bit application - you have to respect the fact that there's a sh--load of math involved, here! It cannot be overstated that your on-the-fly performance is directly related to the horsepower of your CPU.

And so: 'Preview' shall have to remain a luxury to the processor-poor. Save your sheckles again...
;)

All the best.... -Jon

Mark T · Location: Norway Posts: 890

Hi,

I don't think you have to save that many sheckels. I have been running Ozone on a PIII 667 Mhz with all modules active and using preview and changing parameters on the fly with no problems. I think it helps that I have 512Mb memory as I can't beleive that a slightly faster processor makes so much difference. But I could be wrong!

Mark Cool

Despised7 · Member Posts: 85

Yeah mark, i think you are right about the ram thing. I only have 128mb of ram on my computer.......To be honest, i don't really know whey I haven't upgraded it since ram has become ridiculously cheap. Bye for now.

-Chris-

Craig Jackman · Location: Canada Posts: 909

While more RAM can never hurt, it is more of a processor upgrade that's needed here. Ozone is 64 bit processing which is a riduculous aamount of math to do. That wouldn't be done in RAM it would be done with the processor (yes, using the RAM to shuffle stuff in and out ...). When I was talking to iZotope, there were basing usage on more than a 500 processor.

Despised7 · Member Posts: 85

Cool, thanks for the info craig.

-Chris-