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clair7857
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Does Amp Farm work with CEP, or is it only for Protools?
and, if Amp Farm isn't going to cooperate, can anyone recommend a good sounding amp modeling plugin?
CEP's existing distortion function is, uh.... not too good for guitars.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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VoodooRadio
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| Posted - Mon Jun 03, 2002 3:17 pm |
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I can't comment on Amp Farm personally. However, there is a DX plug-in called Revalver that does what you ask. Check out Line 6 Guitar Port. It is a USB unit ($169 US) that allows for different amp/cabinet, even pick-up configurations. Good Luck Voodoo
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Despised7
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Yeah, I don't think CEP's distortion was meant to be used with guitars. I tried recording a clean guitar and adding distortion that way and it wasn't too pretty.
Actually, I'm kinda curious....what can the distortion in cep be used for? Synt. M.D., come to the rescue. :-)
-Chris-
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Syntrillium M.D.
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Hello chris. Well, there are several occasions where I've turned to CEP's distortion.
First and foremost, if you check out the Industrial Loop Sets on Loopology.com, you'll hear how different types of analog bass and drum grooves were manipulated and 'dirtied' with the distortion. Also, we've revamped the presets, so there are actually quite a few that could be used for a more 70s-retro fuzz-tone kind of sound; if you're doing stuff with cleaner, keyboard organ patches, there's a neat hammond B3 preset that will give you a more classic sound.
However, 'a Pod it's not', and if an 'amped' sound is what you're looking for, it might be hard to 'tweak it out' with the distortion in CE.
---Syntrillium, M.D.
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VoodooRadio
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Not long ago, I remixed a project for a band that had used the cheapest, nastiest sounding keyboard to attempt an organ sound. With the exception of the faux organ, the tracks were really nice with great guitar, bass, and drum sounds. I used the CEP distortion and EQ to get the grind working and then ran the track through an outboard processor and applied a nice tremolo. It was just the ticket and ended (IMO) making the entire project sound better. I've also used the distortion in effects (reverb) tracks alongside a dry track and blended to taste. Good Luck Voodoo
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Despised7
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Rock on guys, thanks for the ideas for uses with cep's distortion. I haven't tried any of the presets on cep2.0 yet. I actually tried using the distortion in cep on an extreme background vocal track and came out with some cool 'screaming' type effects. I'll have to check out those loops on loopology that use the dist. effect.
ok, now that i have completely taken over this topic.....here's a link to the 'revalver' directx plugin...http://www.accuratesound.net/revguitamppl.html. I tried it out when i first bought cep, and as far as i remember, it worked pretty good. But, I still prefer the old fashion way........mic your amp and make it sound the way you want, then record it. haha.
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kblackwell
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| Posted - Mon Jun 03, 2002 9:21 pm |
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Of course, you know the Distortion effect is a necessary component of any roll-your-own amp-modelling FX rack in CEP, but it cannot stand alone. You will need to do some serious EQ after the distortion. I've also done some phase shifting, but the effect is too subtle to add much. What I have fallen back on a lot is to Convolve with an impulse response I got from recording a single-sample impulse sent through a real guitar amp. Convolution is a linear effect, so you still need distortion first to get the non-linearity, but then a short impulse response like that can help shape the frequency response and room ambience to sound like a real amp. Unfortunately, I have not been able to get the kind of distortion I want from CEP's built-in Distortion effect (it seems to always have too much of
the odd-order harmonics and not enough even, if I'm analyzing this correctly), which is why I've been trying to write my own XFM plugin to do "better" distortion for me. The DSP part of it is the easy stuff, it's all the Win32 crap that drives me nuts.
Anybody know a place where amp impulse responses can be shared?
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Despised7
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Rock on,
Let us know when you get your plugin done...i'd be curious to check it out.
-Chris-
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kblackwell
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| Posted - Sun Jun 09, 2002 9:39 pm |
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| Quote: | | Let us know when you get your plugin done...i'd be curious to check it out. |
Well, it "ain't fit for company". It's just an experimental test-bed with which to try out different methods of producing distortion: some I've come across (like at the music dsp .org web site) and others I've just kind of thrown together myself. Not what you would call a nicely-packaged plugin. It would be nice if someone would volunteer to take it and put it into a nicer dialog box with sliders or knobs in addition to text edit widgets, perhaps with different tabs. This is the first time I've done any Win32 programming and I'm just not proficient enough to worry with such details. I still want to add a couple more things, but this is never going to be a "product", just something to play around with. And some of these distortion methods are computationally inefficient, meaning that even if Syntrillium ever does tell me how to get it to show up in MultiTrack FX Racks, you might not really want to put it there. Maybe I'll dig out my old compression code and try to make it work in a plugin, then combine it with some of the distortion I like the best in the current plugin. Could be useful. Who knows?
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