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So should Midi Record and editing functions be included in CEP2? Yes.  25%  [ 33 ] Yes but only as a payed for "Plug In".  25%  [ 32 ] No.  33%  [ 43 ] Not Bothered.  3%  [ 4 ] e-drummer is a prat ,and if he mentions that in these forums again I`m gonna knock him on his arse.  11%  [ 15 ] Total Votes : 127
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e-drummer Posts: 107	Posted - Fri Nov 08, 2002 5:01 pm
VoodooRadio Location: USA Posts: 3971	Posted - Fri Nov 08, 2002 6:50 pm  Where I personally have no interest in such (yet!!), I see no reason why it couldn't be offered as a "pay fer" feature. Not a bad idea, yea.... I'm gonna keep my eye on you..... _________________ I said Good Day! Voodoo
e-drummer Posts: 107	Posted - Sun Nov 10, 2002 3:06 am  Oooh er! I`m being watched.:D
VoodooRadio Location: USA Posts: 3971	Posted - Sun Nov 10, 2002 4:50 am  "Yea, I'm gonna keep my eye on you....." That actually was a line from Sam Kenison to Rodney Dangerfield (Thorton Melon) in the movie where Rodney returned to college. _________________ I said Good Day! Voodoo
Havoc Posts: 735	Posted - Sun Nov 10, 2002 6:51 am  No, no and no again. There is already more midi in it then I like. This is the reason I use CEP, there is (almost) no midi. That said, I can understand the need of some for it. So if they could really split it and call it cool midi or whatever I have no problem with it. I don't want to get locked into updates of CE because they changed something in the midi part of it that I don't care about. I would even pay for a dedicated non-midi edition if it came to that.
e-drummer Posts: 107	Posted - Sun Nov 10, 2002 9:43 am  You make a good point Zita and if these functions were at the expense of Audio stability then I`d have to admit I`d rather not have them. But I doubt that these functions would put too much strain on CEP2 when you consider how they would "most likely" be used. Midi editing would obviously not be done during playback so their are no issues with this whatsoever. Midi recording ,some might say ,could cause problems but I would disagree due to the way it would "most likely" be used. If you were recording a whole band live and the keyboard player is playing a midi synth ,then you are after the live performance anyway so you would record the audio from the keyboard and not the midi. If your doing a studio session ,again if you have the whole band playing together you dont need midi. The midi record function is "most likely" to be used whilst only playing back audio not whilst also recording audio. The processor requirements put on a PC to record audio input whilst also playing back audio is huge compared to the requirements needed to record a midi input whilst also playing back the same audio. We can all happily play back X amount of audio tracks whilst also recording audio so I cant see the problems that midi record will cause when used in this "most likely" way. Quote "Besides, there are magnificent MIDI sequencer on the market." I agree ,and I have IMO the best of the bunch Cubase VST32 ,which I currently use to record midi ,but I much prefer the Cool Edit interface ,its as simple as that , I`m not knocking Cubase its just preference. Quote "Most people use CEP to record or to restore old audio tracks/radio production. Let's keep it that way." Not according to beetles "How do you use Cool Edit" Poll. Not many votes in yet ,but I am looking like getting knocked on my arse Wheres all my midi buddies ,help me out here.
e-drummer Posts: 107	Posted - Mon Nov 11, 2002 1:20 pm  Thats fair enough Zita. I agree that their are more important things to address and I didnt think for a minute that Synt would be "pushed" into anything. Its very obvious that I`m in the minority as far as my midi record and edit wishes go so I`ll leave it at that until such a time when everyones happy with CEP2. To the one voter who chose the last option: e-drummer picks himself up off his arse and says "me granny hits harder than that"
VoodooRadio Location: USA Posts: 3971	Posted - Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:42 am  Quote: You make a good point Zita Quote: Thats fair enough Zita. What you mean Willis??? There ain't no Zita here! Actually, a couple of days ago... someone made a comment about some threads not making sense due to Zita (or Synt) removing his post when they booted him. _________________ I said Good Day! Voodoo
Gulliver Location: Estonia Posts: 442	Posted - Wed Apr 02, 2003 4:03 am  I think the first two options can be count as a one so it gives (at this moment) 16+31=47% of total "yes". And that's .
VoodooRadio Location: USA Posts: 3971	Posted - Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:56 am  Quote: the first two options can be count as a one Not exactly. The second option.. was where most folks voted that DO NOT WANT Midi capabilities included, but realize that there are those who do. I won't use it, and surely don't want to pay for it. I DO NOT WANT IT, but I know some folks do. In a perfect world everyone would get their way. I'm cool with that as long as THEY pay for the icing on THEIR cake. I don't like icing! _________________ I said Good Day! Voodoo
Graeme Member Location: Spain Posts: 4663	Posted - Wed Apr 02, 2003 11:17 am  VoodooRadio wrote: Quote: the first two options can be count as a one Not exactly. The second option.. was where most folks voted that DO NOT WANT Midi capabilities included, but realize that there are those who do. I agree - talk about damned lies and statistics. Gulliver is trying to make something out of nothing here . If we take the view of VoodooRadio, that's a massive 64% against! That's even 8)er. _________________ Graeme Don't forget to join the new CEP forum at audiomastersforum
Craig Jackman Location: Canada Posts: 909	Posted - Wed Apr 02, 2003 1:21 pm  IF - big if - they can do it so that I can completely dissable it and never ever see the letters M-I-D-I together in my computer when I'm using CEP they can do what the hell they like. I have no use for MIDI. Haven't found a need for MIDI since it was introduced, what 15 years ago? The only time I ever want to see MIDI is when someone introduces a controller that will write automation and edits so I can unweld the mouse from my hand. Oh yeah, this mytical controller has to be less than $1000 and as easy to use as a crayon. Otherwise CEP should be MIDI free. If you need MIDI with digital audio there are many MANY fine products already out there. The world doesn't need one more. CEP is an audio editor, done to provide value. They make up the margins in volume. I like it that way. _________________ Craig Jackman Production Supervisor CHEZ/CKBY/CIOX/CJET/CIWW Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Gulliver Location: Estonia Posts: 442	Posted - Wed Apr 02, 2003 2:06 pm  I understand your (midi non-users) points. Me too, loves CEP for what it is - the perfect audio editor. But personally I had (and still have) a lot of problems synchronizing midi and audio. For instance even in Sonar I get constant synch issues when playing back both of them. (Midi alone plays fine in Sonar, audio alone - ok, but both... ). Maybe this is because of my specific hardware setup, I dunno. All I know is that CEP is as tight as me 10 years ago and I like that . I just can't imagine its (imagi)native midi sequencer would give me so many headaches as all those other sequencers by other manufacturers. Maybe I'm just a dreamer...
VoodooRadio Location: USA Posts: 3971	Posted - Wed Apr 02, 2003 3:24 pm  Quote: what 15 years ago? How bout 22 years. It was first introduced in 1981. Again, I don't have anything against MIDI personally. I don't use it and don't want to pay for it. I would be fine if Synt offered it as a plug-in like they did with the MP3 plug-in for CEP1.2a. Same scenario, I don't use MP3's (hate them) and don't want to pay for the capability. = If someone wants (or needs) the MIDI.... COOL! Let THEM pay for it! _________________ I said Good Day! Voodoo
Gulliver Location: Estonia Posts: 442	Posted - Thu Apr 03, 2003 7:33 am  By the way... where is Zita:???: I remember he/she was quite a knowledgeable person hangin' on these forums out there.
VoodooRadio Location: USA Posts: 3971	Posted - Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:41 am  Zita changed his/her name to Pavel or something and I haven't seen much of them lately. _________________ I said Good Day! Voodoo
AMSG Location: Sweden Posts: 594	Posted - Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:03 pm  Yes but as a plug-in. I myself have Sonar2.2 XL for midi (which I hardly ever need).
DeluXMan Location: Canada Posts: 330	Posted - Mon Apr 21, 2003 4:18 pm  A very simple sequencer, without any editing or other features, that would allow you to record midi during CEP multitrack playback. You could then load the midi file into Sonar etc. to edit [if you edit your midi performances...].
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