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thehappypessimist · Posts: 11

alright so im new to the forum but ive been watching you guys for a few months now. i come now because i see the great support and well.... i need some help.

i just bought a new behringer fcb1010 midi foot controller and im confused as hell. i didnt know i had to program anything i figured it would be like a keyboard. i press a button and it does a command in cool edit. ive spent a bit of the afternoon trying to assign midi triggers from the pedal but i dont know what to do. im new to midi and i think im going to die. what programming do i have to do to the pedal and how do i get my computer and cool edit to receive these signals. i read the manual and i got confused when it told me how to assign banks in four different modes. can anybody tell me how to get started or direct me to a certain website thats a nice tutorial. the cool edit tech support didnt help much. thank you for your time.
joe

ozpeter · Location: Australia Posts: 3200

Well, I found http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/FCB1010_programming_ENG.pdf on the net, but I would hope that you have similar instructions with the unit. I don't think you will get much detailed advice on this forum unless someone happens to have the same unit. If I were in your position - and you may have already done this of course - I'd search the Cool Edit help file for 'trigger' and the forum also for that word, and try to piece it together, one thing at a time (don't change too much at once).

Sorry I personally can't be more helpful.

- Ozpeter

thehappypessimist · Posts: 11

hey, thanks for the attempt. i went over the manual again and it seemed id be fine with the default presets i think i just may have a problem with my connection to my computer. i bought a usb midiman and my friend says that it can be slow sometimes and he should be bringing me a sound card midi cable soon. the midiman led for midi in and out arent light up for activity and the led that shows its on kinda dims in and out. im thinking i may not have enough power going through to it or somehow i messed this thing up.

thehappypessimist · Posts: 11

alright forget most of the things ive said in this post. ive read the cool edit manual my midi controller manual and a few online tutorials and understand it a LITTLE better. somehow my midiman usb connection is now noticing midi signals but somehow cool edit isnt receiving them.

is there any online tutorials on how to program your midi device to control cool edit? ive been reading things about midi values and cool edits help file mentions them briefly and im thinking now that i have to assign values on each pedal for each command that i want it to command in cool edit.

is there a list of values and what each one is used for? and i noticed something in the manual about it having to be a midi note to be translated to a midi message. i have one midi note pedal on my footboard and im wondering if somehow i have to program each pedal to be a note.

pllleeeaasseee help. im one confused user and if someone could atleast point me to a place for a help that would be great.

SteveG · Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6695

I don't know about your controller, but you certainly have to program CEP2.0! Fundamentally, there are two things that have to be in place to begin with. In Options>Device Properties>MIDI In you have to select your input device. Then you go to Options>Shortcuts (Keyboard and MIDI triggers) and you will find that you can select an input channel, and if you select a function with the mouse, and press the MIDI key you want, then that MIDI note will be assigned to that function. This will also, in theory, respond to controller values as well, but I've never tried that.

So as usual with MIDI control, you will probably have to program everything...

BTW, this will work with CEP1.2 and 2.0, but not with CE2000, which doesn't support MIDI triggers at all.

thehappypessimist · Posts: 11

ive done everything you said atleast 12 times and im just not having any luck. from this point im really not sure what to do. is there any simpler midi controller anyone can recommend? i have 30 days to return this puppy but id like to keep it if i can. thank you for your help.

thehappypessimist · Posts: 11

alright so i got everything programmed for cool edit to notice the controller. i had to assign all the presets to the note function. but now the values of the pedal change everytime i press them so cool edit will say assign controller:0 with a value of 66 and then when i press the pedal it changes to 50 then if i press again it changes to 70. i cant find a way to change the values on the preset of the controller and im not seeing it anywhere in the manual. i think i may have to find someone with the same pedal. come on, one out of you 400 has to have this pedal.

Jim Smitherman · Posts: 352

Though I don't have CEP2, I think I understand the problem: unless somehow you can get your pedal to send a single midi-note message, using presets or some such, I fear that the continuos nature of a pedal-sent midi messages will make it impossible to control CEP that way. I'm guessing that the easiest (maybe only) controller that will work would be a keyboard type controller, which will send single note messages. There are some fairly inexpensive midi controller keyboards on the market.

I believe the only support CEP has for midi is for 'triggers' (various audio apps will let you control their actions with midi messages), but there is no general support for the midi spec, i.e., CEP is not a sequencer. This is also where you are having difficulties with controlling volume, as per your other posting. Unless CEP2 let's you choose an output midi device (i.e., a synthesizer) you can not make any sound using midi in CEP, therefore you cannot control volume that way.

Maybe there is something you can do with automating a fade? Just a shot in the dark.

Jim

thehappypessimist · Posts: 11

alright so as much as i love cool edit i think i may be looking for a program with better midi controller functionability. i know this isnt to wise of me to ask this but i dont really have many places to ask serious musicians about serious software. what do the people recommend for simple multitracking with good midi controlling functionability. im looking for a program with more effects and maybe some real time effects that i can hear as im playing. thank you everyone for your help and i did find a way to assign a midi note to each pedal preset i just think i may have bought a pedal with too many features for the simplicity cool edit offers. im not sure if i want to try to adapt to a new program or return the pedal for something more simple (4 pedals, no expression)

ozpeter · Location: Australia Posts: 3200

Hmm... as you will have seen from other threads, (and maybe have discovered yourself!) Cool Edit is an audio editor with limited midi functionality - if you wanted a midi sequencer with some audio functionality, you'd be looking a Cubase or Cakewalk or the like. I don't know whether either gives you 'real time effects while you are playing'. From your post you seem to have a particular way of wanting to work, which may or may not fit with a particular product - if I were you I'd be trying demos of possible products rather than spending money, because that's probably the only way you'll discover the detailed features on offer.

- Ozpeter

VoodooRadio · Location: USA Posts: 3971

Good luck on your "quest" to find a software with "live" effects. If your adamant about working in this fashion, you probably would be better off spending your $$$ on a decent board and some outboard processors.

Jim Smitherman · Posts: 352